Showing posts with label Sexual Addiction. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Sexual Addiction. Show all posts

Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Listen to Yourself

Editors Note; It is my pleasure to have Mary answer a question once again. Mary is our resident, "Sexpert." She has her finger on the pulse of Sexual Addiction and is best suited for this type of question. While Xmichra seems to answer the bulk of questions we get every week and works extremely hard at giving the best advice online, we do realize that Mary is not able to answer as many questions as Xmichra does. Hopefully, you, the Reader will appreciate it, as we do, when Mary is able to answer a question. Here at Ask Aunt Babz, we do our damnedest, within the confines of our schedules; work, family and so on, (yes, things have been delayed due to my recent move)to take the time to answer, each and every question posed to us. Thus, I would like to take this opportunity to thank Xmichra and Mary for all their time and talent in addressing these pressing issues. I hope you, as well, "The Reader" will appreciate the fantastic job, these ladies and gentleman, do to unselfishly give of their time to help you gain some perspective, opinion and hopefully supportive answers.



Dear Aunt Babz,

I found this via a link on the "Room of Mama's Own"
website and I hope I can have an honest answer from a
smart lady (or ladies) who knows firsthand about
having a sex addict as a partner.
I've just discovered that my fiance has been
sleeping with prostitutes since we've been engaged. I
am so devastated. I knew he had a porn addiction,
which has always caused tension in the relationship,
and this was always what I feared would eventually
happen. The funny thing is, I can't decide whether or
not to call off the wedding. I thought I would
instantly if he ever betrayed me like this. I feel
something must be wrong with me. We are supposed to
get married in 6 months, and due to visa requirements,
whatever decision I make is really going to have to be
final - no "postponing" the wedding, no canceling the
visa application then changing my mind.
I guess what I really need to know is, from ladies
who stayed to work things out, is the roller-coaster
of recovery, relapse, lies that I worry I will be in
for should we marry REALLY worth it. Is there
something wrong with me if I don't leave him? If your
partners' revelations had come in the countdown to
your wedding instead of years later once
kids/home/happy memories were in the picture, would
you have gone ahead? Knowing what you know now, would
you have walked down the aisle, or looked for another
partner?
I love my fiance so much. I don't think I will ever
find anyone else I will love as much as him. I
understand this is an addiction and he's not evil, but
I'm in excruciating pain, and I never want to feel
this way again. I've been trying to do the COSA thing
since i learned about the porn addiction 2 years ago,
but it doesn't speak to me. All of these women, and
those I met through my fiance's old therapist, seem
either sad and drained, spending as much energy
'detaching' as they would "controlling", or bitter
and, having left their partners, feeling that that is
what everyone should do. My fiance's therapist says
his prognosis is good, but this is a massive gamble to
take. I can't talk to anyone I know about this. I'd
appreciate any insight you could give me.
thank you,

Anonymous


Mary Said


Dear T,


Since you found your way to Ask Aunt B through a link from my blog,
A Room of Mama's Own, you already know that my husband, like your fiancé, is a sex addict. You are facing such a difficult decision already. I'm sorry the visa situation is adding pressure to that.

A good friend of mine taught me that when I'm asking for advice, I should listen to myself and ask the question "What answer do I want to hear?" The answer to that question tells you which path you feel ready to follow.

If you wrote here wanting me to tell you that you're not crazy and it's ok to marry him, then marry him: it's possible that marriage to a recovering sex addict can work and be loving and fulfilling. If you wrote here wanting me to convince you that you really shouldn't, then don't: marriage to a sex addict, even one in recovery, is difficult and painful. If you really aren't sure what you wanted, don't make a decision now. You still have some time. Wait and be still, Listen to Yourself and you'll know what to do. I can't guarantee that the choice you make will lead to happiness. I can't guarantee that you won't kick yourself down the road for choosing either way. But I believe you'll be making the choice you need to.

I truly believe that all choices are good choices. They don't all bring happiness, but since happiness is transitory, that doesn't matter. They all lead us a little further on our journey, a little closer to ourselves, a little closer to the divine. Whether you marry this man or not, it will be the right thing for you, right now, and that's what really matters.

You also had some specific questions, and I'll do the best I can to answer those:

Is the roller-coaster of recovery, relapse, lies that I worry I will be in for should we marry REALLY worth it?

It has been for me, but for many, many other people, it's not. There will be more lies and there will be more pain. Only you can know whether it's worth it to you.

Is there something wrong with me if I don't leave him?


Maybe. But that same thing will still be wrong even if you do leave.

If your partners' revelations had come in the countdown to your wedding instead of years later once
kids/home/happy memories were in the picture, would you have gone ahead?


I certainly would have gone ahead with it if I had the outlook on life then that I do now, but if I were still the person I was then... I don't know. I always said I'd leave if he cheated, and I really did believe I'd do it, even with kids, but when the time came, I didn't. There were certainly inklings I'd gotten and things he'd done to hurt me before the marriage, but I went ahead anyway.

Knowing what you know now, would you have walked down the aisle, or looked for another partner?

Knowing what I know now -- the totality of what I know now -- I would marry my husband again a thousand times. I have seen my husband show over and over what a good man he is, in spite of the pain of addiction. And while I know the pain, I also know there was no way for me to avoid the pain. Because of my own distorted way of seeing the world, any partner I would have picked would just have had different problems, and those problems would eventually have brought me pain like what I faced anyway.

I've been trying to do the COSA thing since i learned about the porn addiction 2 years ago, but it doesn't speak to me.

Ok, I know that wasn't actually a question, but I just wanted to give you my sympathy. I had similar problems with S-Anon, which is one of the reasons I don't go to meetings anymore. There were so many women in the program who were so hurt that they couldn't move beyond their anger and bitterness, so I didn't see many models for where I wanted to be in my life and my marriage.

It's a hard, hard choice you face. I can't tell you which one to make. I can't tell you which path will lead you to greatest happiness or greatest pain or greatest knowledge. But I believe that if you try to do things the way you think you "should" rather than accept the place you're in, those decisions will just come back to kick you over and over again until you learn the lessons they were trying to teach you. Whatever decision you make, your life will be moving forward just the way it should.

Feel free to email me at mamampj@gmail.com if it would help you to talk more.

My best to you,
Mary (MPJ)
at A Room of Mama's Own

Wednesday, January 23, 2008

Remember; You're Doing Nothing Wrong...


Guest Advisory from;

A Room of Mama's Own

Mary answers this rather poignant question on Sexual Addiction...


Dear Aunt Babz,

I've been married for 10 months. Things were great up until about the 6 month mark, when I found porn on my computer's browse history. I was calm, and when I asked my husband if he knew anything about it, he became angry and yelled at me saying I was "accusing" him. After that, bedroom activity slacked off. It's continued to decline, and now our sex life is almost non-exist ant. I keep finding recurring porn sites, and I've only brought it up with him twice. Both times, he turns the tables on me with the "Why are you accusing me?" speech and lies to my face about the porn.
Until now, I've never had a problem with porn. I've even watched some myself, but I have not since getting married. It bothers me that it's now interfering with our time spent together, and it's becoming more frequent, especially while I am in bed asleep next to him (computers are next to the bed on each side). I've tried initiating sex, and he continues to reject me. When we do have sex, it's always missionary. No variations, no exploration, no desire from him to "change it up", though I would very much like to (and he knows this). I've actually SEEN him masturbating & watching porn while he thought I was asleep. I was too sick & horrified to even say anything then. This is destroying me emotionally. My self esteem is getting lower and lower. Anytime I see any pornographic images now, I feel sick to my stomach. I'm becoming jealous, and paranoid. I know this is NOT a good thing. I've tried discussing it with him, and have told him while in tears how much this hurts me and how uncomfortable it's making me... He will slack off watching the porn for a few days to a week, at best...then it's back to square one. Please help me. I don't know what to do, or how to approach him. He's always on the defensive side. The porn itself does not anger me...it's the fact that I honestly feel like he has chosen the porn over me, his wife. I love him, that's why I married him. I'm open-minded & willing to do anything to gain his attention again. How do you talk to the guy who is "always innocent" about porn in marriage? -Depressed & Hurt Wife.


Dear Depressed & Hurt Wife,

If I could reach through the computer screen and give you a big
tearful hug, as one injured woman to another, believe me I would. I
have been where you have been: waiting for my husband to come to bed
to me while he stayed up later and later looking at porn (and in my
case, more, it turned out), wondering what I was doing wrong and how I
could be sexier, yelling and crying and pleading with him to tell me
what was wrong.

It turns out that what was wrong didn't have anything
to do with me. And this doesn't have anything to do with you.
Your husband's behavior is not about you. You're not doing anything
wrong. He's not using porn or refusing to have sex with you because
you're not sexy or because he doesn't love you or because you're not
exciting and attractive. He's using porn because he can't stop: he's
an addict. My husband is too.

I know the idea of being addicted to porn may sound crazy. After all,
porn isn't a substance like alcohol or heroin or crack, right? But
the brain chemicals released when engaging with porn can provide their
own kind of high. And for some people (possibly your husband), the
high provided by porn and masturbation can be greater than the high of
actual sex.

The behavior you've described is all the behavior of an
addict: needing greater amounts of porn to satisfy his need for a
"high," denying and trying to hide his behavior, having his behavior
interfere with his relationship and above all, being unable to stop.

The good news is that doctors and mental health professionals, as well
as society at large, are gaining a better understanding of sexual
addictions every day. There are many more resources available to help
you than there ever have been before. There are a number of excellent
books on the subject, as well as a variety of 12 Step programs for
addicts and their partners, along with in- and out-patient treatment
centers (yes, rehab for porn addiction).

The bad news is that your husband does not sound like he is willing to
admit that he has a problem yet. Unfortunately, he cannot change his
behavior without treatment, and the old saying is absolutely true, the
first step to recovery is admitting there's a problem.

You can, and should, speak with your husband about his addiction (it often helps to do this together with a mental health professional or a spiritual
leader), but there is no guarantee that you will be able to break through his denial.

Whatever happens, this will be a long journey for you. Here are a few
things that may help you:
  • Talk to a therapist or counselor. Try to find one who understands addictions, preferably sexual/porn addictions.
  • If you are religious, talk to a trusted spiritual leader

  • Find an S-Anon or
  • COSA Meeting. (Meeting information is available on their websites.) These are groups for partners of people addicted to sex and pornography. You will meet
    other people here who will understand your pain and who can help you
    work through it.

  • Start learn about sex addiction. S-Anon and COSA have resources
  • on their websites. In addition, Patrick Carnes, PhD is an expert on sexual
    addiction and has written several books, including ;
    In the Shadows of the Net, which deals with online pornography and sexual
    behavior.

  • Remember that you cannot change your husband and focus on doing
  • what you need to take care of your own physical, mental and spiritual
    health.

  • Remember that you're not alone.
  • You should be really proud of yourself. You knew that something was
    wrong, even if you didn't know quite what it was, and you trusted that
    feeling and reached out for help. So many women in your situation
    doubt themselves and suffer in silence for years and years. I know,
    as well as anyone can, how much you are hurting now. But I also know
    that you are taking the first step toward healing.

    If it would help you, please feel free to e-mail me at
    All the best to you and your husband,
    Mary (MPJ)
    Blogging about sex addiction (among other things) at

    A Room of Mama's Own




    Dear Depressed & Hurt Wife,

    I will offer one more thing here, get the computers out of the bedroom!! I mean that is just begging for neglect. A bedroom should be a place of solitude and for a couple to rejuvenate. Not a place to have all sorts of distractions around. Or at least that is my personal opinion.

    Maybe the porn isn't something that you can accept, but it also isn't something evil. So make sure that you aren't coming across as being accusatory. The only reason I say this, is that sometimes this isn't an addiction. Sometimes, it is a guy being a guy and having to defend or out right lie about his preferences because he feels ashamed. There is nothing wrong with looking at porn, or enjoying it. There is something wrong with letting porn interfere with your real life relationships.

    I would definitely recommend talking to a third party about this if you can. Seeing as though it seems that you cannot have this conversation without someone feeling hurt (and it is a touchy subject).

    But the point here is that you are recognizing something that you are having a problem with, "the porn," and you need to address that too. You want to be "open minded" but really it feels like a slight. And I get that. Truly I do. But it won't help you to solve this particular problem if you are not 100% honest with how you feel and what you can deal with.

    Not all guys who watch porn are addicts. Not all women who watch porn do it for their satisfaction. Not all relationships are the same. And in those three sentences you need to figure out where you two sit. And you need to be comfortable with what you decide.

    Hope you do well with your talks, and hope you can get the romance back in your room where it belongs!!

    ~Xmichra~

    Some Additional Helpful Links

    Dateline NBC;
    Battling Sexual Addiction


    Sex Help.com; Sexual Addiction Screening Test

    Recovery Connection (Sexual Addiction Helpline)

    Sex Addicts Anonymous